Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 20:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums

No doubt, some of the content here is of interest to us, but this article is the wrong venue for it. First, it sets up a slippery slope. What's next? Japanese art in Brazilian museums? Islamic art in Namibian museums? Cubist art in Cuban museums? Second, by all means mention the particular collections and their histories at each museum's article (Poltava Art Museum, Museum of Western and Oriental Art, etc). But there's really no case for patching together every museum's history here. And third, as always, the content is not verifiable without citations. Biruitorul ^Talk 21:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - anything relevant in this article is, can or should be folded into other articles. The topic is not autonomous. The bulk of it is over-focused trivia, and, to build on what the nominator is saying, it's a slippery slope to an extended version of eeny meany miney moe. That not only encouragestrivia, but it creates forks and makes existing articles on the same topics lose their purpose and focus. Dahn (talk) 22:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. I agree some information is interesting, but this is the wrong way to approach this topic. The list of such paintings and info shall be in the respective museum articles and not all in one article like this. —dima /talk/ 00:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article provides some useful and sourced information on the subject. Perhaps the content should be merged somewhere, but this is not a reason for deletion.Biophys (talk) 02:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The general discussion is fully appropriate. The list of art works should be divided and moved to the individual museums. Not that we'd list everything in a museum there either, but we could appropriately list highlights. DGG (talk) 05:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a worthy effort, but unmaintably complex and not sufficiently verifiable. There are, for example, around 2000 museums in the UK, with collections ranging in size from 2 objects to several million. Trying to pin down what is in what collection by artefact type, genre or origin of work, etc, is too much like a directory, rather than an encyclopedia. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

and if we removed the directory material at then end and put it elsewhere? There are good historic reasons for treating this topic, as discussed in the article itself.DGG (talk) 13:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom...Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums is absurdly broad...Modernist (talk) 04:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I disagree with the argument by analogy in the nom. Some cross-cultural subjects are more important than others. The history of western art in the museums of a country formerly part of the USSR and under German occupation during WWII is I think a notable subject. Admittedly, the article doesn't restrict itself to this and provides a History of Ukrainian art museums. But, that's a notable subject too.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Delete the list. It's 28 years out of date. The rest of it seems okay, and has a source, if only one. Notability:

"Western art" "Ukraine museums" turns up 4 hits on Google.

"European art" "Ukraine museums" turns up 5.

So no-one's going to be searching for this stuff.

"Western european art" ukraine - turns up 984. However, pages of travel guides and repeated references to two museums in Kiev and Odessa.

According to [site]"The Museum of Western and Eastern Art stands out as probably the only noteworthy collection of Western art in Ukraine"

All that aside, it's obviously a "special interest" subject, so:

How about renaming the article to an expandable "Western Art in Former Soviet Russia" or similar, and relegating the Ukraine section to a heading? - Ddawkins73 (talk) 09:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Rename to History of Ukrainian art museums. Delete the lists. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.